marleen
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Post by marleen on Jun 7, 2007 10:49:53 GMT -5
... in here who doesn't appreciate manga/anime all that much? I feel a bit like a stranger to the community because I seem to be the only one that has come to like Chris Wooding through Saramyr (which I didn't perceive as "manga" exactly). I've seen a few japanese movies that I liked, but all in all, I don't fancy the style and I don't understand the general obsession over it. Also, no non-manga style fan art in the fan art section Everything looks cartoonish Explain the appeal...
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Post by kaiku on Jun 7, 2007 12:15:51 GMT -5
I think I'm the only one who hasn't seen any Anime/Manga stuff. I don't even know why. So I have no idea whether I like it or not.
I do like anime drawings though. I've seen a lot of them and I think they're very pretty.
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Post by shyviolet on Jun 7, 2007 12:48:29 GMT -5
Lots of people here read the Braided Path trilogy first, they just like anime and manga as well. I read Broken Sky before I even knew what manga and anime were, it's just a coincidence.
As for the appeal, it's MUCH easier to draw than realistic styles or western cartoons, because the construction lines are simpler. Also, it's not all that dissimilar from Disney-style. The first anime were inspired by western cartoons after all.
It's just an aesthetic thing, you might as well ask why one person likes western superhero comics so much, it's just a matter of taste. I like manga and anime... well... partly because the art style is so pretty (when it's done well) and partly because it has proper character development and wide story arcs that we just don't do in western cartoons.
A more cynical part of it is this: manga and anime have to be translated from Japanese, right? That's time-consuming and expensive, so only the really popular stuff that they're SURE will sell over here gets exported to us. We get all the stupid little flops from our own countries, but only the cream of the anime crop. See the problem?
It's also because it's more exotic; we've had generations of Looney Tunes and Scooby-Doo so anime with it's giant robots and magical girls seems new and different. It works the other way round as well, in Japan they have huge webrings dedicated to the Powerpuff Girls.
Other than that, I don't know many people who are obsessed with it, maybe you've just run into more than your fair share of crazy otaku (poor you).
Whoa, that was meant to be a short reply and it turned into more of a discursive essay! I hope that explains it a bit. ^_^;
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Post by psycho on Jun 19, 2007 2:34:02 GMT -5
I started with Broken Sky during my anime days, but I've since moved on. The only anime I enjoy, really, is Cowboy Bebop.
To be perfectly honest, I almost always envision Woodings novels in a macabre style. Dunno why, could be because I'm fond of macabre art.
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Post by lisajane on Jun 19, 2007 4:20:45 GMT -5
I've mostly grown out of anime, but I still love manga.
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Post by kaiku on Jun 19, 2007 14:34:04 GMT -5
It's also because it's more exotic; we've had generations of Looney Tunes and Scooby-Doo so anime with it's giant robots and magical girls seems new and different. It works the other way round as well, in Japan they have huge webrings dedicated to the Powerpuff Girls. That's because Powerpuff Girls rock. ;D Buttercup was always my favourite. As for me, I'd always choose Scooby-Doo over anything new and exotic any day, haha! Nothing beats Scooby-Doo (well, the older episodes (and a couple of the movies) anyway). I wouldn't mind watching some anime, but I can never find any anime shows when I'm channel hopping.
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Post by shyviolet on Jun 19, 2007 15:48:55 GMT -5
Really? I can't stand Scooby-Doo! It's so... brown.
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Post by zemira on Jun 19, 2007 18:00:39 GMT -5
Even though I'm an anime fan and I hate it when they American-ize the shows (Pokemon, Yugioh, Sailor Moon, etc.), I like the American shows trying to be anime. I'm a big fan of Teen Titans (yes, I realize what a huge dork that makes me) and of course, Powerpuff Girls. I still have a few posters somewhere in my closet from PPG. ^_^ I used to like Scooby Doo, but I kinda outgrew it (says the girl who likes Teen Titans and PPG). The old ones are the only ones I can stand now. And even then, it's when nothing else is on.
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Post by shyviolet on Jun 20, 2007 2:54:59 GMT -5
I love Teen Titans!! The anime-ish show and the traditional comic book. 'Tis great. I have to say, the best western-yet-anime-styled show has got to be Avatar: the Legend of Aang (or the last airbender if you're from America where they give lame titles to awesome shows). The animation on that is more detailed than on most imported anime, and if you watch the credits they even employ martial arts consultants to choreograph their fight scenes. And I'm a mad zuko fangirl, not that it influences my opinion at all.
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Post by zemira on Jun 20, 2007 7:23:40 GMT -5
Yes Avatar! And yes, America is obsessed with giving bad titles to great shows...I guess that's our punishment for living here (I'm so patriotic, can't you tell?). Of course, I love Avatar for one actor: Jason Isaacs. No doubt my favorite actor, and he voices a character on the first season. But I unfortunately have only seen a few episodes here and there, and have never seen his episodes. Someday I will, though!
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Post by marleen on Jun 20, 2007 9:15:56 GMT -5
No! Wait! You cannot turn my manga hate thread into a manga love thread! Shoo! Shoo!
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Post by zemira on Jun 20, 2007 10:53:13 GMT -5
But it's not a manga love thread...it's western-cartoon-trying-to-be-anime love thread. ^_^
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Post by shyviolet on Jun 20, 2007 11:22:41 GMT -5
Besides, you haven't given any counter-arguments! If you let the anime-defenders have the entire conversation it's inevitably going to become and anime-love-thread! ;D
That is true though, Avatar isn't strictly anime. But still great.
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Post by Tama on Jun 20, 2007 12:51:29 GMT -5
...I don't like Avatar. I think it's trying to hard. I don't like the voice acting, I don't like the story, I don't like the characters, I don't like the writing... The only bit I do like about it is the action scenes, which are superb, if slightly generic.
I like anime: because it's different. The first impact it had was late 20th century, when it was introduced into a market that was saturated with very few genres. Anime was and is something different. Suddenly, there were hereos who were normal people with problems. There were all-female casts. It was a revolution!
I like manga because: firstly, I adore comics of every kind. I keep up with webcomics. I even love american comics, which most manga fans hate. Manga's easier to read, because the panelling is more dynamic and fluid. Manga storylines are different, because they originate in a different culture. Manga characters are different, manga jokes are more sophisiticated, manga backgrounds are more interesting...
I will agree that it's a marmite phenenom. It's cool if people aren't fans, but anime/manga really appeal to everyone in the way that other comicing forms just don't.
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Post by shyviolet on Jun 20, 2007 15:00:03 GMT -5
I love both manga and american comics, although I actually find american comics easier to read. The panelling in most manga is a little TOO fluid in places, like if you read Fruits Basket, a lot of the time the speech bubbles go in an s-shape, so for the middle of the page you have to read them in the wrong direction.
Much as I love manga I'm going to have to disagree with this point, there have been all-female casts and heroes who were normal people with problems in american comic books for years. The thing is in western countries if people want to see REALLY normal people with emotional entanglements like in manga, they don't think 'Ah! I'll go and buy a comic!' they think 'Ah! I'll go to the library and find a teen drama novel!' or for the less literate 'I'll check what time the OC is on.' Manga is just a soap opera in comic book form, which does exist over here, it's just not nearly as popular.
This I'll have to disagree with as well, once one understands the cultural references and traditional archetypes manga jokes and characters are just as lame and overdone as western ones. The trick is most translators don't explain the references so unless one goes and looks it up the jokes remain original and hilarious.
As for the fight scenes in Avatar being generic, that's a bit rich seeing as the exact same sequence of moves has been used in at least three different anime, if you look around on the interet you can find comparison clips, at least the Avatar creators choreograph their own sequences. The level of detail they put in is phenomenal.
Not that I'm disputing your right not to like it, I know it isn't everyone's cup of tea. I'm biased on the subject of voice acting though because lots of my favourite voice actors have parts in that show.
P.S. Hooray for counter-arguments! (I love debates)
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