Tama
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Post by Tama on Jun 20, 2007 18:00:10 GMT -5
1) I mean a lot of humour is wordplay - whereas, to pick an example completely and utterly at random - at one point in Avatar it seemed as if we were supposed to laugh because one of the characters got their head stuck in a hole. As for it losing the meaning, many of the translators explain the little jokes at the end of the volume, or in a box somewhere, so you're not only given a joke, but also a bit of understanding into another culture.
2) When I think of american comics, I think of a super rich playboy who dresses like a bat for kicks. Not that I have anything against him. I just don't think of a six-year old girl and her daily life.
3) They're generic in their nature.
'Hullo, I'm going to throw a rock at you!' 'Fine, but I get to magically make a ball of fire out of nowhere and throw that at you instead!'
The animation is gorgeous in the fight scenes, and I wish desperately that all anime fights could be slavered over as lovingly as that. Or, if not, gone the Vernon route and had it out over logic puzzles instead.
And, uh, 4) I cannot stand the voice acting. It makes me want to go suddenly deaf. It's still not as bad as most of TV, though, which makes me want to tear my ears apart and then bleed so profusly that I am never able to hear anything that dreadful ever ever again. Ever.
I'll agree with you on Fruba though. (The worst example I've seen of that is a scanlation of Cafe Kichijouji De where the lines dividing the speech bubbles had been removed by an over zealous scanner. It didn't help that it was in the middle of an arguement, either.)
Why aren't I in bed? -comatose-
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Post by shyviolet on Jun 21, 2007 3:12:24 GMT -5
There's plenty of head-stuck-in-a-hole comedy in loads of anime. You should check which age range the ones you're thinking of are aimed at, Avatar is meant for children despite all the adults who watch it. It's those little notes that flagged up to me how generic some of the jokes really are. After reading about 5 manga and looking up the references in the jokes I found the same sort of humour being used over and over again, it's just as lame as our own stuff, we just don't notice.
No offense, but if that's what you think of your experience of western comics is very limited. There is lots of stuff hat isn't about superheroes, mutants or spies, you just have to look a little harder to find it. But again, six-year-old girl's daily life? That's what books are for. There's a multitude of richly illustrated children's books that cover most of the same stuff as children's manga, thus there is less demand for comics that do the exact same thing.
The fight scenes in Avatar are no worse than any others. In fights you have limited options, you can do a magic-style fight (Avatar, DBZ), a weapons-style fight (Gundam Wing, most american shows) a martial arts-style fight (I'm sure you can think of your own examples for this one) or people clubbing each other with random objects like violin cases. Every fight is basically a variation on one of those themes.
Just out of curiosity, what's so bad about the voice acting?
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Post by psycho on Jun 22, 2007 4:05:24 GMT -5
As a general whole, I just hate animation, period. I have yet to see any animation come anywhere near touching the brilliance of "The Pianist" or "The Lord of the Rings." The problem with animation, much like most computer games, is that it is extraordinarily hard to convey emotions with any sort of realism with animation.
Seriously, check "The Pianist" out. The guy who plays Szpilman is brilliant.
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marleen
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Post by marleen on Jun 22, 2007 4:30:19 GMT -5
or "The Lord of the Rings." You know, Gollum was, uhm err, in fact, animated. As were 85% of the rest of the movies. And they're still great, as you said yourself
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Post by psycho on Jun 22, 2007 4:37:35 GMT -5
or "The Lord of the Rings." You know, Gollum was, uhm err, in fact, animated. As were 85% of the rest of the movies. And they're still great, as you said yourself Animated? Why yes. Based almost entirely on Andy Serkis' mastery? Definitely. There are exceptions to the rule - Half-life 2, Gollums performance, but by far and large, its very rare to see animation come close to the depth of a good, human performance. But I digress.
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Post by Maliris on Jun 22, 2007 7:45:19 GMT -5
Well, I once read somewhere that Disney had a bunch of Lions lying around to copy their movements exactly for Lion King. And Serkis got covered with these little dots and had to move around so that they could copy his moves. Of course, trying to make an animation movie of The Pianist wouldn´t be right. It´s not the kind of genre you can use in an animation movie. Especially as you cannot copy Adrien Brody´s brilliantness. |:>
I have nothing against animation. There are loads of good animes, cartoons or other animation movies out there. I mean, Tim Burton?! I probably like´em because I grew up with Disney and always wanted to be able to draw like that.
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Post by zemira on Jun 22, 2007 9:26:33 GMT -5
Yes, Disney likes to use real animals as bases for their drawings. Obviously, Lion King was the biggest, as they brought in full-grown male and female lions to model.
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Post by bluephoenix on Jun 26, 2007 23:58:21 GMT -5
the appeal of the art is that I can actually draw it XD
And I can't explain it. It's a love it or hate it thing. *shrugs*
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Post by bluephoenix on Jun 27, 2007 0:00:22 GMT -5
Also, I think a great deal of emotion can be shown thorugh good animation.
Just think Hayao Miyazaki.
I mean, some actors even have MORE emotional range when animated *coughHaydenasAnakinSkywalkercough*
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Post by shyviolet on Jun 27, 2007 2:04:46 GMT -5
Oh, that's so true! I mean, with actors like Hayden Christensen and Orlando Bloom around I think animation has a lot going for it.
It's been proven that depth of emotion is more to do with the voice than the face, so an anime with good voice actors is no less emotionally capable than a live-action film. I mean, think of the way your brain finds faces in everything, look at these smileys we use. A suprisingly small amount of detail is needed to convey even a strong emotion.
I think most animators just get a bit lazy with it...
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Post by zemira on Jun 27, 2007 7:16:10 GMT -5
There's no doubt that if animation is done badly, it has little effect on anyone. And there is a lot of animation done badly. But then, a lot of animation is stylized and if you don't like the style, it's kind of ruined. Like Miyazaki for instance. I cannot stand his animation style. I just think it is so ugly especially when his characters cry. But I still like most other anime. And one of the most popular animated shows in America, "Rugrats" was regarded as totally atrocious animation by a lot of people, yet the show still went on to become one of the most popular animated shows over here.
Erm...I didn't mean to start to rant. Sorry. *bows head and quietly slinks out*
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Post by shyviolet on Jun 27, 2007 14:31:58 GMT -5
Yeah, that's very true. I love Miyazaki's style personally, but I have passed up whole manga series no matter what the story because the art style isn't my cup of tea.
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Post by psycho on Jun 27, 2007 17:45:44 GMT -5
Also, I think a great deal of emotion can be shown thorugh good animation. Just think Hayao Miyazaki. I mean, some actors even have MORE emotional range when animated *coughHaydenasAnakinSkywalkercough* Until an artist can portray emotion as well as Adrian Brody did in The Pianist, I maintain my pseudo-snobbish position :p
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Post by shyviolet on Jun 28, 2007 2:57:17 GMT -5
Having not seen the film in question I can't really agree or argue with that, but that is incredibly snobbish of you to judge an entire medium against one single outstanding performance.
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Post by Aryeec {E.F. Forester} on Jun 30, 2007 15:30:01 GMT -5
You're not the only one. I'm kinda like you. Anime isn't really a turn-on for me either. I do like the art and the stories, but I don't watch it. I started my Wooding-spree with the Broken Sky series, which was meant to be Anime-ish.
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