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Post by GhostEggplant on Aug 13, 2007 11:41:31 GMT -5
What, you've seriously not given evolution a thought? That's a little worrying... So much of life on Earth is unable to exist without 99 other lifeforms doing what they do. You tell me something got every single thing right, just straight off the bat? And dinosaurs? Where do they fit into creationism? They certainly weren't 'dinosaurs of Eden' because that theory revolves around every single thing living a herbivorous life. And if they were, what then? If every single animal and thing on earth ate strictly plants, how come so many species are carnivores or even omnivores? Surely that suggests evolution happening somewhere along history, ie, creatures having to adapt, to evolve, to survive! That includes humans. If creationism is absolute fact, then explain the redundancy of the appendix. Since you posted right under me, am I the one who hasn't given evolution any thought? No, evolution makes perfect sense, though I don't think it could exist on its own. Who started that first spark of life? When a genetic mutation happens, is God just tinkering with his toys and waiting to see what happens? I don't think the perfect Eden came out of nowhere in just seven human days. Perhaps by the time Adam and Eve got there all this dinos had been killed off. There were evil snakes and the suchlike (though maybe the serpent is a metaphor for something else. the devil?) so why couldn't the dinos have been killed? About everyone being a herbavore... Yeah, evolution happened. It's been happening since the first plant/animal had offspring. It's not something God needed to stop ('cause by then He was pissed at Adam and Eve. "You two, get out of my special garden! ...FINE, if you really want to eat each other, you can! *God goes off to daydream about giant floods* XD). Or maybe all the plants were dying out because of being over-eaten, so God had to save them by making the animal eat each other. Excuse me while I go read Genesis.
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Post by bluephoenix on Aug 13, 2007 13:18:44 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I agree with you there. Evolution I do agree is a fact, but I also believe that it couldn't just happen out of pure luck.
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Post by zemira on Aug 14, 2007 11:59:07 GMT -5
There were evil snakes and the suchlike (though maybe the serpent is a metaphor for something else. the devil?) Maybe the Bibles I've read are different, but yeah, the snake is supposed to be the devil. He just changed his form.
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Post by Aryeec {E.F. Forester} on Aug 14, 2007 15:43:01 GMT -5
"... not to mention: if the old testament was sufficient source of information about how to live your life, all Christians would actually be Jews."
idk exactly what you were stating, but if it was meant like it reads then here it goes. God has a massive understanding of every situation. It's not our faults (modern day Christians) that the Christian way of life has changed so much since then. That's one reason why I love Jesus so much.
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Post by GhostEggplant on Aug 16, 2007 15:22:27 GMT -5
There were evil snakes and the suchlike (though maybe the serpent is a metaphor for something else. the devil?) Maybe the Bibles I've read are different, but yeah, the snake is supposed to be the devil. He just changed his form. My version of the Bible makes it sound like the snake is just a smart animal, who happens to like tricking people in his spare time. That's probably not the case, however. If it was the devil himself, shouldn't he be able to improve the "you shall forever slither on your belly and bite peoples' heels" situation? Perhaps it was a minion of the devil...
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Post by Tama on Aug 16, 2007 17:34:17 GMT -5
Maybe the Bibles I've read are different, but yeah, the snake is supposed to be the devil. He just changed his form. My version of the Bible makes it sound like the snake is just a smart animal, who happens to like tricking people in his spare time. That's probably not the case, however. If it was the devil himself, shouldn't he be able to improve the "you shall forever slither on your belly and bite peoples' heels" situation? Perhaps it was a minion of the devil... Another thing bugs me: why the belief in Satan as a being of pure and utter evil who exists to torment the religious... and yet has no actual input in the lives of those who say: 'I think that idea is flawed and irrelevant'? And Jesus! I can't explain the problems I have with the ideal of Jesus, except that he probably was not a very nice bloke, and that he definitely wasn't white. >>;
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Post by shyviolet on Aug 17, 2007 3:58:31 GMT -5
I dunno, I always thought Satan was a logical extention of God, if there's a supreme power of good it makes sense that there'd be one of evil as well. Satan is just the personification of evil and temptation, he might not even need to be a discreet entity, he's just an idea. 'Satan' only means 'the opposer' anyway, so he's much less specific than God.
As for Jesus being white, no sensible Christian actually believes that Jesus looked like his paintings, it's just that's the way he's been painted for centuries and it's the way we all recognise him in art. Like the saints with their artifacts. As far as I'm concerned, his message was 'why don't we all just try to help each other and get along?' so it doesn't matter if he was nice in person or not.
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Post by GhostEggplant on Aug 18, 2007 17:14:34 GMT -5
I think you'd have to be a nice person to put up with all the stuff that he had to deal with... Ehhh, I donno. Could you elaborate here? Not nice as in "I'm grouchy most of the time but inside I love humanity" or not nice as in "Alright, fine, I'll carry out your friggin message of peace and love, I just better be well-paid for this *goes off to kill kittens*"?
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Post by lisajane on Aug 21, 2007 4:50:06 GMT -5
I'm Catholic, went to Catholic schools and the like, but I'm not really into the whole church and religion thing. I go to mass at Christmas and that's enough for me.
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Post by GhostEggplant on Aug 21, 2007 20:40:10 GMT -5
I'm Catholic, went to Catholic schools and the like, but I'm not really into the whole church and religion thing. I go to mass at Christmas and that's enough for me. I seem to be hearing a lot of "lost interest" from Catholics in general. I wonder why that is...?
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Post by lisajane on Aug 21, 2007 22:06:36 GMT -5
Well my high school had a way of presenting religion so boringly that it sucked any interesting life out of it.
That's my guess, as I remember between interested in being Catholic back in primary/elementary school.
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Post by zemira on Aug 21, 2007 23:04:42 GMT -5
As for me...it was because it was constantly forced down my throat. I had no choice at all in the matter, and everyone knows how teens are when they aren't given a choice. It was just very very strict, too strict, IMO, and it was all too easy to develop a dislike for it.
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Post by shyviolet on Aug 22, 2007 2:35:48 GMT -5
Religion is such a personla thing, I think it has to be presented in a way that lets people make their own choices about it. If left to make the choice most children will follow their parent's beliefs, but if they're forced into it they start to resent it, no matter the actual message of the religion. I think it's because when you can choose it also implies you can go back on that choice, whereas when it's forced on you it starts to feel like the only way out is to denounce it entirely. Especially in such a strict denomination as Catholicism.
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Post by GhostEggplant on Aug 22, 2007 11:43:18 GMT -5
That makes sense. *nods wisely*
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Post by Aryeec {E.F. Forester} on Sept 10, 2007 18:16:17 GMT -5
Does anyone here, who is a believer, want to share a story of something awesome God has done for you?
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