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Post by Aryeec {E.F. Forester} on Jan 4, 2008 13:55:12 GMT -5
I was watching the news the other day and the movie "Cloverfield" was brought up. Apparently some people are trying to get the film industry to keep it out of theaters b/c it reminds them of 9/11. What are your opinions on this issue?
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Post by lisajane on Jan 4, 2008 20:57:40 GMT -5
I think it's about time people moved on from 9/11, and stopped avoiding stuff to do with it. They can't hide under a rock all their life. Edit - went to the movies (saw I Am Legend, seriously depressing) and saw the preview for Cloverfield. If people are trying to get rid of this movie, does that mean we will never have movies showing NYC under attack? Honestly, if I hadn't seen this thread before I saw the preview, I wouldn't have made the connection between that and 9/11. Those people who complained can simply not watch the movie, or any possibly related movie, until they manage to get over themselves. It was five years ago. Time for moving on. Ironically, the next preview was for Charlie Wilson's War, in which the preview showed part of Afghanistan being blown up. I don't suppose those people would've protested against that movie? Funny that. I'm done ranting
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darkhyuuga
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D.gray man... enough said.
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Post by darkhyuuga on Jan 5, 2008 9:41:47 GMT -5
I suggest we should also ban all movies that have to do with theathers and guns and rascism too. By banning movies about 9/11 your saying "I refuse to move on" which is only prolonged by the over-sensitive conservatives who only worry about their jobs... Btw... you should read the book I Am Legend... I havent read it but its known as the grandmother of the zombie horror sub genre.
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Post by shyviolet on Jan 5, 2008 10:42:18 GMT -5
Surely it's more disrespectful to the victims of 9/11 to hide under one's blanket and censor every obscure reference to their deaths than it is to show New York being attacked in some manner? Someone blew up a section the the London Underground, but I seriously doubt the British film industry will never use the Underground in a film again because of it.
Besides, isn't the city being ravaged by a monster in that film, not an aeroplane?
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Post by Aryeec {E.F. Forester} on Jan 5, 2008 11:40:45 GMT -5
9/11 was just over 6 years ago, not 5. If possible, could you tell which country you're from. I'd like to know what people from other countries believe. Anyone besides me from the U.S. yet? I, personally, would have to agree with everyone else here. For a lot of the families who had someone die in 9/11, the movie might remind them, but nothing will ever change that, so why hold it back forever?
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Post by GhostEggplant on Jan 5, 2008 17:46:25 GMT -5
I live in the U.S., and don't care if people make movies about 9/11 or not. Of course, I didn't know anyone who died in the attack, nor live anywhere near New York, so I don't really care much. Sorry if I seem cold-hearted.
It is a Great American Tradition to hush up the truth.
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Post by lisajane on Jan 5, 2008 19:10:00 GMT -5
9/11 was just over 6 years ago, not 5. If possible, could you tell which country you're from. Six years then, which only goes to show that even more time has passed and so people should attempt to get on with their lives rather than hide away. I'm from Australia, though I struggle to see why that makes a difference. While I felt sorry for the people who lost family in 9/11 at the time, I think it's time they moved on and got on with the rest of their lives.
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Post by shyviolet on Jan 6, 2008 3:21:52 GMT -5
I live in the UK, and I recall that after 9/11 happened we were all shocked and horrified, but by now everyone thinks America needs to stop whining about it. On a related note, America seems to be the only country that uses the phrase 'war on terror' or even thinks such a concept exists.
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darkhyuuga
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D.gray man... enough said.
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Post by darkhyuuga on Jan 6, 2008 12:50:18 GMT -5
Sorry I suffer from US-centric disorder, which is you believe everybody is American unless they say otherwise.... like I said, I live in america, and I was in what 3rd grade when it happened? All my friends kept leaving class, and at lunch my mom took me and my little brother out of school. Living as a child in a post 9/11 (like days, months after) was like being in barrale of gun powder so to speak. Everybody was paranoid and most of the trips we couldnt go on because they werent sending kids into the city.... sigh looks like we still havent come far.
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Post by Aryeec {E.F. Forester} on Jan 6, 2008 13:26:01 GMT -5
I really hate that expression. Bush is 100% responsible for it.
Most other Americans that I've talked to either want the war to fully end right now or want to stay and finish b/c it's already started. No one says they want the war to continue b/c they believe in it.
I'll start another thread about everyone's views towards Bush and the U.S. gov't.
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Post by lisajane on Jan 6, 2008 19:07:33 GMT -5
which is you believe everybody is American unless they say otherwise.... Why do you believe that? It's like saying America is the only country on Earth.
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darkhyuuga
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D.gray man... enough said.
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Post by darkhyuuga on Jan 6, 2008 20:44:13 GMT -5
Its innate... maybe not so much physically, like with accents and different languages, but online its like whenever you go on forums and stuff you think everybody there is from America... I don't do it purposely, I think its just most Americans (like myself) have trouble seeing that the internet is a international thing.... I hope I didn't offend anybody.
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Post by shyviolet on Jan 7, 2008 3:20:54 GMT -5
The thing about 9/11 is that it was in the news for so long that it was like putting up a banner saying 'hey, terrorists! Want a big reaction and a media circus? Attack America, we'll make a fuss!'
I don't think that 9/11 wasn't a terrible tragedy and all, I just think America didn't know how to handle it. The goal of a terrorist is to paralyse a country and make everyone live in fear or further attacks, so the way to deal with it is to make the minimum fuss and go back to the routine as quickly as possible. The phrase 'war on terror' just tells the rest of the world that america is terrified and the attacks did exactly what they were supposed to do.
Presumably it's partly to do with America being so far away from everywhere; they're not used to being attacked on their own soil.
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Post by zemira on Jan 7, 2008 10:06:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm well over the whole 9/11 thing. I wasn't even upset when it happened, but then, I'm a very cold person. I know I was taking a geometry test when it happened though. I remember that day only because we got to watch the news instead of being in class, so hey, no homework.
As for the America-is-the-only-country, yes, that's how most Americans are. I think it has a lot to do with our "version" of things: Like metric units, and speed in cars, distance, all those measuring units. We have our own little units, and we are raised to know those, and we never learn about kilometers or anything. Another way is the spelling of words. We have to have our own spelling, and we are never officially taught that other countries spell certain words differently.
It's not that we are drilled into beliving that only we exist. It's more...a purpose removal of outside influence. Kind of like, just not mentioning and not letting a kid see the bad bully who lives nearby. The child simply isn't aware that a bully is there. A "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" type of thing. Not that we are raised to believe that other countries are evil, either. We're more taught...America is the best. Our history books are FILLED with "America is the greatest country on earth!" and flags everywhere. It's America's brand of racism.
So, for younger people who don't really know anyone from another country (excluding Canada--most Americans seem to view it as one giant loner state up north), America is the only thing they know. We don't learn foreign history until our high school years (our 10th-13th years of schooling).
Of course, some of us are raised by parents who choose not to censor anything. My fiancee grew up watching BBC productions-- Richard III, I Claudius, etc. and she was put in therapy because as a child, she was quoting lines from something that was supposed to be above her understanding. I am not exaggerating. When she was around 7 or 8, she did a report on Richard the Third. Her teacher didn't believe she knew it, so she tested my fiancee. My fiancee passed, and the teacher told the principal to hold her back a year and to not let her continue. My fiancee was removed from school by her parents and home schooled for several years. Just because she liked Richard the Third.
As a result, she prefers British sayings, spellings, and movies to anything American.
In short, America censors the other countries. They keep the children in the dark about them until much later in life.
/rant. Sorry. >_< Oh, and the above is simply my opinion (though my fiancee shares it). That's just how I view the whole thing. I'm not meaning to offend anyone. >_>
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Post by GhostEggplant on Jan 7, 2008 10:30:15 GMT -5
On a related note, America seems to be the only country that uses the phrase 'war on terror' Yeah, it's a government thing. The masses are all frightened of being attacked at any moment, so they helplessly follow whoever says will get them out of this mess. That's how Bush generated so much support for the Iraq War when it first started.
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