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Post by Raihor on Feb 15, 2009 16:33:46 GMT -5
Yes, this is the only way to settle it! We must decide who is the best, with an all-out war of fandom! I'll borrow those rules that Smaug set up (if that's ok). Remeber, this is all just for fun! 1)No personal insults – joke at the character’s expense, on the other hand, are fine. 2)You may quote from the book, but please state which chapter and book you’re using. 3)Please try to keep to the point 4)And let’s have fun!
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Post by smaug on Feb 15, 2009 18:16:54 GMT -5
Yes, this is the only way to settle it! We must decide who is the best, with an all-out war of fandom! I'll borrow those rules that Smaug set up (if that's ok). Remeber, this is all just for fun! 1)No personal insults – joke at the character’s expense, on the other hand, are fine. 2)You may quote from the book, but please state which chapter and book you’re using. 3)Please try to keep to the point 4)And let’s have fun! I was actually going to propose pistols at dawn – but you know what? I think your idea is better! To be honest, I can’t help but feel amused by all this. How the hell do I do it? How is it whenever I enter a forum I somehow manage to get a war going? Ah well. Okay, I’ll repeat the rules quickly – 1) No personal insults – joke at the character’s expense, on the other hand, are fine. 2) You may quote from the book, but please state which chapter and book you’re using. 3) Please try to keep to the point 4) And let’s have fun The winner gets cake. I’ll introduce myself. My name be Smaug and I'll be representing Aurin/Ryushi in this debate – because fictional relationships are serious business! And now I'm off to begin my essay. Till then Smaug.
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Post by lisajane on Feb 16, 2009 1:28:03 GMT -5
I'm for Aurin, but I'm not writing an essay for it...
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Post by shyviolet on Feb 16, 2009 3:55:39 GMT -5
Do you suppose we should mark this thread SPOILERS? I've got some in here.
I like Calica. I took that same test you mentioned on the other thread and she only got a 21.
(taken from the other thread)
I don't know where you're getting half this stuff from, to be perfectly honest. We know RYUSHI thinks she's beautiful, but we don't hear anything about it when it's not described from his point of view, all we're told is that she has orange-gold hair that at least reaches her shoulders, olive eyes and cat-like cheekbones (not always a good thing, I assure you).
Yes, she's a brilliant swordswoman with an iron will but no, she is not a genius, simply intelligent. Strong leadership, fine, but seeing the future? Useful as it is for the first part, comparitively speaking that's a pretty lame power. I mean, Kia can control ground itself, Ryushi has enough power to blow a chunk out of a mountain, Gerdi can disguise himself to anyone and Takami can shoot fire out his fingertips, to name but a few.
I can only assume you're getting the 'unique mark' from the illustrations, which is unfair because Steve Kyte gave plenty of characters strange marks on their faces. Similarly, plenty of characters are skilled wyvern riders and plenty have dark and tragic childhoods, remember Parakka is a partially military resistance orgnisation, average people with nothing against the king simply wouldn't join it and those who did join wouldn't remain unskilled for long.
I'm not sure what you mean by a unique weapon but if it's the heartstone I don't think that counts, since she can't actually use it as a weapon. She doesn't force the keriags to fight the way Aurin did and they refuse to help until they're freed from it. I don't think the connection to royalty counts either, since it's only via a theory that not everyone believes in and does nothing but allow her to carry the heartstone until the keriags can be freed.
Seriously, don't be so hard on her, the test did say to take all abilities in context. She can see the future? Big deal, Aurin can destroy a whole army and Ryushi essentially has super-powerful telekinesis! They don't count as special Mary-Sue powers if almost everyone in the story can do something equally impressive.
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Post by smaug on Feb 16, 2009 5:00:18 GMT -5
Do you suppose we should mark this thread SPOILERS? I've got some in here. I like Calica. I took that same test you mentioned on the other thread and she only got a 21. (taken from the other thread) I don't know where you're getting half this stuff from, to be perfectly honest. We know RYUSHI thinks she's beautiful, but we don't hear anything about it when it's not described from his point of view, all we're told is that she has orange-gold hair that at least reaches her shoulders, olive eyes and cat-like cheekbones (not always a good thing, I assure you). Yes, she's a brilliant swordswoman with an iron will but no, she is not a genius, simply intelligent. Strong leadership, fine, but seeing the future? Useful as it is for the first part, comparitively speaking that's a pretty lame power. I mean, Kia can control ground itself, Ryushi has enough power to blow a chunk out of a mountain, Gerdi can disguise himself to anyone and Takami can shoot fire out his fingertips, to name but a few. I can only assume you're getting the 'unique mark' from the illustrations, which is unfair because Steve Kyte gave plenty of characters strange marks on their faces. Similarly, plenty of characters are skilled wyvern riders and plenty have dark and tragic childhoods, remember Parakka is a partially military resistance orgnisation, average people with nothing against the king simply wouldn't join it and those who did join wouldn't remain unskilled for long. I'm not sure what you mean by a unique weapon but if it's the heartstone I don't think that counts, since she can't actually use it as a weapon. She doesn't force the keriags to fight the way Aurin did and they refuse to help until they're freed from it. I don't think the connection to royalty counts either, since it's only via a theory that not everyone believes in and does nothing but allow her to carry the heartstone until the keriags can be freed. Seriously, don't be so hard on her, the test did say to take all abilities in context. She can see the future? Big deal, Aurin can destroy a whole army and Ryushi essentially has super-powerful telekinesis! They don't count as special Mary-Sue powers if almost everyone in the story can do something equally impressive. Interesting, though I'm curious to know how you scored only 21 (I'm actually taking the test again). As for the unique weapon, she's the only character with a Katana. Everyone's weapons are mentioned again, other characters have crossbows, knives and swords and axes. Only Jaan and Peliqua (I don't think I spelt that right...) have unique weapons, but for all intents and purposes they were miner characters when compared to the others. As for the powers, don't forget they all had huge draw back. Kia had to maintain concentration to keep the Gollums fighting, leaving her vulnerable to attack. Ryushi, often drained himself, leaving him as weak as a new born kitten (Though I admit he over comes this in the end, but was character growth). As for Gerdi, he could only his power on a limited number of people at any one time and it put a lot of strain on him. Finally Aurin. Chaos is extremely powerful, however, her possessing these awesome powers were balanced by her inexperience in battle. While its true that when compared to the others, Calica's own powers seem a little feeble, she is still the only character who has them. Don't forget Ryushi has the same powers as the guards, they just don't have as many stones. Now onto the Wyvern. It's true that a lot of people can ride them, however, it's just when added with everything and all her other amazing skills, it's little hard to swallow because another thing she can do. This also isn't helped by the fact when Chris starts writing passages like "She lifted head back, her spine straight and proud, and wiped the single tear from her face. "We've won only half the battle," she said, suddenly becoming again the strong leader she had always been." Or Perhaps this one. “Calica felt a wave of dizziness sweep up to claim her, but she force it away. She would not faint, not even in the face of the overbearing, unbelievable relief and ecstasy that swamped her, or the immense exhaustion that settled on her shoulders.” Or maybe this? "If she had been able to see herself, she might have thought how similar she had become to Calica now; both of them tacticians and leaders, forged by war; both of them orphaned by Macaan; both of them with a fierce love for Ryushi, though the nature was different". Add this with everything else it's hard to believe this character. She doesn't have any really unique flaws - she nearly perfect. I have more to say, but I'll leave you with that for now. Also, I took the test again and only filled in the first section and the last section and scored 32 which is still a Mary-Sue - Ooh that Rhymes ^^ Actually on reflection, it might help if we actually establish what Mary-sue means. Mary Sue, sometimes shortened simply to Sue, is a pejorative term used to describe a fictional character, whom plays a major role in the plot and is particularly characterized by overly idealized and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as wish-fulfillment fantasies for their authors or readers. Perhaps the single underlying feature of all characters described as "Mary Sues" is that they are too ostentatious for the audience's taste, or that the author seems to favor the character too highly. The author may seem to push how exceptional and wonderful the "Mary Sue" character is on his or her audience, sometimes leading the audience to dislike or even resent the character fairly quickly; such a character could be described as an "author's pet". Do we all agree on that? Smaug
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Post by shyviolet on Feb 16, 2009 7:14:20 GMT -5
A katana? Please, it's hardly a unique weapon, it's just a kind of sword. By the same token Takami uses a nodachi, which nobody else uses. Ditto Kia and her bo staff, Gerdi and his crossbow, Hochi and his battle hammer, Whist and his throwing disks, even Ryushi if we wanted to take it that far, since nobody else seems to use a claymore. I'd also dispute that Jaan and Peliqua are not important enough for their weapons to factor into the argument. Chris obviously tried to avoid giving anyone the same weapon as another main character.
Calica's power has a huge drawback as well, she needs to be in contact with a relevant place or object. For it to be useful at all the circumstances have to be exactly right. Calica's power is useful, what, twice? She finds out the plan and she gets them into the Mechanist's Citadel. Compare that to the number of times Kia saves everyone with a golem or Ryushi saves someone despite his control issues. Aurin's inexperience in battle really doesn't matter with the kind of power she wields, when she doesn't need to worry about revealing the extent of her power she's 'quite capable of defending [herself], yes?' In a fight Calica might as well not have any stones. Bear in mind we also never see another person with stones like Whist's, Gerdi's, Takami's or Aurin's, so it's hardly fair to criticise Calica's power on the basis of it being rare.
As for the wyverns, I just had a hunt through the series and I'm not convinced Calica CAN fly wyverns. In all of the big attacks she rides behind someone else. I did only skim so it's possible I missed something, but I really don't think she knows how to ride them. Even disregarding that, I don't understand what all these 'amazing skills' are supposed to be. The list I got was this:
- expert swordswoman - good tactician and leader - has spirit-stones (I don't think the rarity of her particular power matters, given its general uselessness)
So she's... a good soldier? A cunning warrior? A useful member of Parakka? So are many others in the books. Yes, she's described in favourable terms, but what would you prefer? That she did faint? That she did crack under pressure in the middle of a battle, taking your quotes in context? (One would wonder why she was such a trusted leader if that were the case.)
I imagine her more serious personality flaws are simply not ones that would come up in a military environment, the only role we see her in is resistance fighter and tactical leader, they're roles that suit her. Put her in other ones and I'm sure a good deal more flaws would come to light, we just see her doing what she's good at.
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Post by Chris Wooding on Feb 16, 2009 7:42:59 GMT -5
Ugh... did I write those lines? The folly of youth... Welcome, Smaug! And all the other peeps who've turned up in the meantime... been a while since I posted last. Am on a frantic deadline to finish Havoc by the end of the month. My tuppence worth: Smaug: Though it's been so long I barely remember what happened in Broken Sky, I do think you've got an idea in your head about Calica being a Mary Sue and you've only looked for evidence to justify that instead of weighing up negative evidence as well. As shyviolet has pointed out, she ain't that special in a world where everyone except Hochi is special too. And I'm sure you'll find similarly nauseating passages of purple prose about all the characters in Broken Sky if you look. As to her flaw, I could be wrong but I seem to remember she was directly responsible for the death of Kia and Ryushi's mother? And I'm pretty sure Kia, who hated her guts for multiple reasons, won out on every argument they had. Again, I could be wrong - like I say, it's been a decade since I wrote it and I've never read it since - but my impression is she was quite guilt-ridden and passive in her private life, and only came into her own on the battlefield and as a tactician. Anyways, I'll accept she could be perceived as a Mary Sue, but a Mary Sue has to be beloved of the author and she certainly wasn't beloved of me! I was fairly indifferent to Calica all the way through Broken Sky, and I much preferred Aurin. In fact, the main reason Aurin didn't get Ryushi in the end was because I liked her more! Calica was the happy ending type; Aurin had a bit more edge than that. I didn't want her all lovey-snuzzles with Ryushi; she wasn't ready for that, anyway, and it would never have worked. I wanted her going off with Whist, to go and see the world she'd been kept away from all her life. Whist, btw, was my favourite male character by the end, hence why he ended up with my favourite female.
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Post by shyviolet on Feb 16, 2009 8:48:10 GMT -5
You've never read it even once since you wrote it? But seriously, as a recap (I feel weird doing this for your own book) she was indirectly responsible for Kia's mother's death. She didn't see any traps or ambushes in the future of a recruitment mission, but there was an ambush and almost everyone died. They probably would have gone on the mission anyway if they didn't have Calica to ask so I don't think she was directly responsible. Kia doesn't see it that way though. Guilt-ridden and passive is a good way of describing her private life, that's more or less what I was thinking with the idea that we only see her when she's in her element. Personally, as a character I like Aurin better, but when it comes to who gets with Ryushi I think the ending was perfect how it was. I could see Ryushi and Calica being really happy together and Aurin and Whist being supremely kick-ass as a team. Whist is awesome.
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Post by Chris Wooding on Feb 16, 2009 9:13:54 GMT -5
Lol, yes, that's it! It is faintly daft that I have to get other people to help me with my own books. But I only have a finite amount of RAM, and most of that is taken up with thinking about cake.
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Post by smaug on Feb 16, 2009 14:27:03 GMT -5
Ah this is getting problematic now. This was meant to be a bit of fun, but it appears to be spinning out of control. So again, can I point out this is for fun? Anyway, now for my favourite part the debate! ;D A katana? Please, it's hardly a unique weapon, it's just a kind of sword. By the same token Takami uses a nodachi, which nobody else uses. Ditto Kia and her bo staff, Gerdi and his crossbow, Hochi and his battle hammer, Whist and his throwing disks, even Ryushi if we wanted to take it that far, since nobody else seems to use a claymore. I'd also dispute that Jaan and Peliqua are not important enough for their weapons to factor into the argument. Chris obviously tried to avoid giving anyone the same weapon as another main character. Alright, I conceive defeat here. You've made a good point about Whist's disks. Though my point about Jaan and Peliqua does still counts. Calica's power has a huge drawback as well, she needs to be in contact with a relevant place or object. For it to be useful at all the circumstances have to be exactly right. Calica's power is useful, what, twice? She finds out the plan and she gets them into the Mechanist's Citadel. Compare that to the number of times Kia saves everyone with a golem or Ryushi saves someone despite his control issues. Aurin's inexperience in battle really doesn't matter with the kind of power she wields, when she doesn't need to worry about revealing the extent of her power she's 'quite capable of defending [herself], yes?' In a fight Calica might as well not have any stones. Bear in mind we also never see another person with stones like Whist's, Gerdi's, Takami's or Aurin's, so it's hardly fair to criticise Calica's power on the basis of it being rare. Hehe, I love that line. Anyway, single combat, is very different from a battle. In a one on one confrontation you've only got to focus on your opponent. Your mind is locked onto them and you can zone in one them. In a battle, however, many things are going on. You've got to focus on the enemy but also be aware of you surroundings. And this is what Li'ain is inexperienced in. As for the draw back about the power. I do see your point, but when it's added to everything she has it's hard to take. It's true that they don't get much of a mention, but then do come into play they are very significant. As for the wyverns, I just had a hunt through the series and I'm not convinced Calica CAN fly wyverns. In all of the big attacks she rides behind someone else. I did only skim so it's possible I missed something, but I really don't think she knows how to ride them. I'm pretty sure she flew one in the battle for the warrens and in the storming of Fane Aracq. Though I admit I could be wrong. Even disregarding that, I don't understand what all these 'amazing skills' are supposed to be. The list I got was this:
- expert swordswoman - good tactician and leader - has spirit-stones (I don't think the rarity of her particular power matters, given its general uselessness So she's... a good soldier? A cunning warrior? A useful member of Parakka? So are many others in the books. Yes, she's described in favourable terms, but what would you prefer? That she did faint? That she did crack under pressure in the middle of a battle, taking your quotes in context? (One would wonder why she was such a trusted leader if that were the case.)
I imagine her more serious personality flaws are simply not ones that would come up in a military environment, the only role we see her in is resistance fighter and tactical leader, they're roles that suit her. Put her in other ones and I'm sure a good deal more flaws would come to light, we just see her doing what she's good at. Alright this what I've been working up to. So here we go. The point I'm trying to rise is this. Calica is a excellent swordswomans, is a strong leader, is on the council, has a strong political mind (admit genius was bit much), drawn beautifully (granted that was more to do with the artist, but still), connected to princess (yes, I know it was spiltling, but the fact is the heart stone still work and recognised her as the Aurin.). Comes up with plans that usually work. As for the tragic past, she was forced into to slavery and she lost her parents. Most of the people in Parakka either, lost people close to them or were brought into the group because of a general desire to change the world. But this is the point. They were not main characters, they were simply in the background. She on the other hand in the forefront. She plays a major part in the story. Take all that, then add in the fact that Kia, who doesn't like her, gains respects for her at the end (I think... hmm, alright we're pending that one). Add the the passages that wrote as mentioned above (Though to be Chris did sort of say sorry.) As for the whole killing their. That was mistake. Not a flaw. Also, she's forgiven for it. You add this together, you then also give her the main guy. It's very hard to actually like her. I admit I could be jaded, because I generally honestly think Li'ain should have got Ryushi at the end. But it's very hard to over look all that. In fact let in context for a second. Let's examine Kia for a second. Now, Kia is very beautiful. She has excellent control of her stones. She is a skilled fighter. She becomes a leader. She becomes part of the council. Yes, she loses her family, but her life up until that point wasn't tragic. She could skillfully ride a Wyvern. So already she seems like a Mary-sue, right? Wrong! Because even though she had all these skills she was humanly flawed. Yes, she was on the council, but she was arrogant, she was defiant, she challenged even when she was wrong. Even the Koth Taraan said “Look this is revenge for you… you don’t actually care about us.” Her coldness causes a rift between her and her brother, straining their relationship. Kia also nearly kills innocent people in the first book. She lets her hatred consume her and nearly cost her friends and family their lives. She's also easily lead and blindly follows Parakka, never once questioning it (something Ryushi did). There is also the whole about her powers. She was quite selfish at times. These are genuine flaw in her character and these help make her so a believable. The same things apply to Ryushi and Aurin. Don't forget, characters like Gerdi and Hochi were more for comic relief. True there was the part where Gerdi managed to sneak into Palace and there is also Hochi link to Tochaa. But even two had flaws. Not massive flaws, but then their role weren't quite as large. Anyway, I'm going to leave it there for now. Though I bet you tomorrow I'm going to find plenty of typos and spelling errors... Smaug P.S. This has been really good fun ;D
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Post by shyviolet on Feb 16, 2009 15:10:27 GMT -5
My point about Aurin's stones wasn't that she was capable of defending herself against Ryushi, I just used that quote because I like it. She wiped out an entire camp in the desert battle with no trouble at all, the only reason she waited is because Whist needed to fetch Kia. Lack of experience doesn't really matter when you can kill a whole army with a thought.
The wyvern thing I'm afraid I'll have to correct you on, because those were the two places I really checked thoroughly. She rides behind Ryushi for the warrens and Hochi for Fane Aracq. Calica cannot fly a wyvern.
I really think you should disregard the fact that she's drawn beautifully because the artist has no control over the character, let's restrict the debate to the text, for fairness. Yes, Calica is an excellent swordswoman and yes, she is a great leader and tactician. That's only two talents so far. I don't think her connection with royalty counts because it doesn't benefit her in any way; it's not as if it gives her any influence or power. All it does is allow her to keep the Keriags alive.
Okay, Calica was NOT forced into slavery! Where are you getting this stuff? Her father was killed in a battle, her mother died in the mines, she was rescued from the battle by her nurse who was then taken by the Jachyra when she was 13. Then she found Parakka. There are many main characters with similar tales of woe. Kia and Ryushi? Elani? Hochi and Gerdi to a lesser extent, Peliqua and Jaan, Ty, the list goes on and on! It's nothing special among the characters of Broken Sky.
As for Kia having human flaws, Calica does too. Her flaws are simply a little less ostentatious. When we're first introduced to Calica she has already been a part of Parakka for years, she's got over the revenge craze that we watch Kia struggling with and she's learned to be a great leader, but she's done it at the expense of emotional maturity. She pushes her feelings aside instead of acknowledging them, and while she knows how to suppress them to be a good soldier she doesn't know how to face them and understand them. She doesn't know how to relate to other people outside of a council room. She's introverted and passive and, as Chris said, guilt-ridden over her role in the death of Ryushi and Kia's mother. Not all flaws have to be violent and attention-grabbing.
Calica's talents, as they are presented in the text, are all war-related. That's a very narrow scope compared to Kia's. Calica's flaws are all interpersonal and emotional, they're quiet, but they're there and they are detrimental to her. I'm hesitant to say it because Kia is one of my favourites, but I think there's a much better argument for her being a Mary-Sue. She had great power, great battle prowess and tactical skill, she's also on the council, she goes on all the dangerous missions, she almost allows her anger to destroy her and her family and yet is forgiven by everyone and gets a happy ending all her own being the one and only person who can mediate for the desert people and the Sa'arin. She's much more of a special snowflake than Calica.
Finally, why are we considering the fact that Ryushi gets with Calica to be some kind of reward? Aurin has a whole world to explore, I'd hate to see her tied to Ryushi being dragged off to colonise a far-off island. Not that I don't love Ryushi, but he's hardly the be-all and end-all of happy endings.
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Post by smaug on Feb 16, 2009 16:30:18 GMT -5
Yeah. Hands up. You got on the Slave thing. I'm not entirely sure why I thought that. Perhaps, it’s because in last chapter Kia and Ryushi visited the miner (slave) village. Of course in the following chapter, Calica explains her story. That's probably why I thought it for so long; also the mentioning of the mother in the mines and for some reason it stuck... (actually perhaps I should read the first book again.)
Oh and as for the Ryushi reward thing. Fair point, I just thought that Li’ain and Ryushi made the better pair, something about their interactions, it felt more real. Which is ironic, because the whole enemies falling in love scenario, has been done to death and poorly to boot. Yet, there something in those scenes that was precious to read. I do love that part of the book, too much perhaps.
And I do admit I was perhaps being a little overly harsh on Calica, because of the ending, which I hated… so much… Considering the amount of pain I when through to get those nine bloody books. Only for them to be re-released several years… in three compact editions… (Sorry, I’m just going to cry for a moment… wasted teenage years.)
But, anyway, that’s not the point of this debate. Actually, what we’ve been debating about isn’t the point of this debate. The point of this thread was a stupid shipping war (because fictional relationships are serious business!). Now unless the thread has been rename, the great Mary-sue debate (when I wasn’t looking…), can we begin the actual debate?
Oh yes, one thing. The Kia point. Well made… however, Broken Sky is her story and Ryushi for that matter. I mean the main focus of it is their growth and development. In fact it’s very Lord of the Rings when you look at it… which makes sense considering Tolkien is one of Chris’s main influences. Unless my information is awry… which given my current record, would quite accurate.
Anyway, looking forward to hearing from you again.
Smaug
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Post by Raihor on Feb 16, 2009 21:13:01 GMT -5
Gee, this turned out more epic than I thought. I also forgot to add that I like Calica best. But my reasons are personal; I could empathize with her for most of the social situations. I found myself growing very fond of her. And I liked her personality. Aurin was alright, but in the end she was just too... Cold. Pleased to see Chris posting! By the way, I am SO quoting this "It is faintly daft that I have to get other people to help me with my own books. But I only have a finite amount of RAM, and most of that is taken up with thinking about cake."
Anyway, so far this has all been about Calica, so let's discuss Aurin. Her number one flaw in my opinion is that for most of her life she was, well, pretty damn nasty. She only really turned 'good' (if you want to abide by that narrow concept) by the end...
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Post by lisajane on Feb 16, 2009 23:40:14 GMT -5
It's not entirely Aurin's fault that she was so nasty and cold... considering her only other (human) adult influence is an even worse nasty and cold person, I can't imagine she would've been able to be anything else until Ryushi came along and gave her a good b1tch slap.
On the subject of Aurin and Ryushi, I think they make a good couple long enough to get information out of each other. Aurin and Whist are a far better couple (if they ever are one) because neither one actually wants a romantic relationship and seem to be together just to be travelling buddies, which suits both characters.
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Post by smaug on Feb 17, 2009 5:31:04 GMT -5
Gee, this turned out more epic than I thought. I also forgot to add that I like Calica best. But my reasons are personal; I could empathize with her for most of the social situations. I found myself growing very fond of her. And I liked her personality. Ah, well, I can't argue with that. Nor do I what to. So once again allow me to offer a humble apology. I can lose myself all too easily in a debate... and sometimes (most times) I don't stop to think. I get swept up. So once again if I said anything that may have up set you, I'm sorry. I will write my long piece about why I love the relationship between Aurin/Li'ain and Ryushi. Though I do agree with Lisajane that Li'ain needs to explore and grow more. I just wish Ryushi had gone with her on her travels. But, as I stated, I do despised the ending so much. If Chris was going to end it on everyone going their separate ways, I think it would have been nice if he’d left the love triangle open so the fans could decide for themselves who ended up with who. Ah, well… I’ve still got the sequel in my head. That’s not letting me sleep… Three cheers for creative madness. ;D Smaug.
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