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Post by shyviolet on Jul 9, 2007 12:07:18 GMT -5
Film adverts aren't long enough to have any significant impact on a well-established mental image. The only really long ones are shown in the cinema and with those you can tell what they are at the start and shut your eyes if you don't want to see it.
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Post by Aryeec {E.F. Forester} on Jul 9, 2007 13:27:12 GMT -5
Even a single image for a couple seconds can change a mental image.
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Post by shyviolet on Jul 9, 2007 13:42:08 GMT -5
Then don't you have the same problem with fanart? If your perfect mental images can be changed by a single trailer they can't be very well established, how do they stay as the same perfect images if such a small interruption can change them permantently?
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Post by shyviolet on Jul 9, 2007 13:43:49 GMT -5
Oh, sorry, that sounds kind of snarky >_< I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just curious.
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Post by Aryeec {E.F. Forester} on Jul 9, 2007 13:51:49 GMT -5
Fan art isn't as detailed as a movie would be. I imagine books as though they're real. Real people like you and I and real places like mountains or swamps. Pretty much all of the fan art here is in anime style. Since i'm not a fan of anime and since I don't imagine books as though it were an anime world, it doesn't change my mental perception of the books. A movie has real people, therefor my mental images of real people from the book would be changed. Does anyone else get what I'm saying?
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Post by Aryeec {E.F. Forester} on Jul 9, 2007 13:55:35 GMT -5
If all of the fan art was a bunch of paintings or pro-sketches, it would change.
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Post by shyviolet on Jul 9, 2007 14:00:09 GMT -5
Ah, I see. But then doesn't everyday life change them? Or seeing a cosplayer? If anything having a super-realistic mental image seems more fragile.
Incidentally, I see them in my head as real people, it's just that I can only draw manga. If I were to draw a realistic picture of Poison would you have to avoid that too?
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Post by Aryeec {E.F. Forester} on Jul 9, 2007 14:09:30 GMT -5
Sometimes it does, but I can't prevent that. I also have the disadvantage of having seen a lot of movies, because I sometimes imagine characters from books looking like an actor/actress who acted in a movie. Poison and Peppercorn, for example, I imagine as looking kind of like a girl from another movie that i saw before the book was written. It's scenery, plants and animals that I can really prevent the mental change.
p.s. If you want to know who I think she looks kinda like, send me a message. (I don't want to change anyone else's mental image, if anyone else is like me.)
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Post by Maliris on Jul 10, 2007 6:12:04 GMT -5
I see both your points. I can understand it that some people prefer to not watch a movie based on a book as sometimes things go wrong and the cast is horrible and really not fitting for the book´s characters. A good example, I´m afraid, would be Lupin from HP whose actor is, well, just horrible... But I´d still watch the movie. If it turned out to be bad I´d shrug and ignore it for the rest of me life, denying its existance. I dunno whether it´d change my mental image of the characters. Actually, I doubt it. XD Of course, if I were to watch the movie, like, ten times in a row it might change. But that´d be brainwashing... I think that one should be open to movie-adaptions. Be content that they actually make one. And if the book is better than the movie that´s only good. Because that is the original and shouldn´t be surpassed by an adaption.
As I myself draw, I see lots of fanart, hence other people´s perceptions. Sometimes, they fit the character´s description, sometimes they just don´t. But then I tend to ignore these pieces of fanart. One doesn´t have to like´em all, of course. But one shouldn´t condemn them from the start.
And one more thing. Try not to double-post so much. Use the modify-button and add what you want to say to the already existing post. With a "Edit:" if you like. But no excessive double-posting. ;] °w°
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Post by zemira on Jul 10, 2007 7:59:03 GMT -5
Totally random with where the topic has gone thus far, but I just saw the new Harry Potter movie last night, Order of teh Phoenix.
And I have to say now that Jason Isaacs would make a great Phaerie King, I think. I know his voice could do the purring and not-so-purring parts of him, and seeing his new costumes (especially with his little ball) really makes me think of him as a good Phaerie King. He looks a lot like Jareth from Labyrinth (again), and I know he's a much better actor than David Bowie...
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Post by shyviolet on Jul 10, 2007 8:30:33 GMT -5
But his face is so round... to me the Phaerie King would have to have much better defined cheekbones.
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Post by zemira on Jul 10, 2007 9:43:36 GMT -5
The wonders of makeup! ^_^ And it's not impossible that a diet could achieve those results.
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Post by shyviolet on Jul 10, 2007 9:59:19 GMT -5
Hmm... unlikely that a diet would work, the face is usually the last place to lose fat unless the person dieting is genuinely obese, but I suppose some subtle shading with foundation could make him acceptable as Aelthar. He does have a very good voice for it.
My only other problem with him would be that he's fixed in my head as Captain Hook. ;D
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Post by zemira on Jul 10, 2007 10:02:17 GMT -5
Very true, lol. But I've seen him in so many other movies now (Jason Isaacs dressed as a woman and singing and dancing?!?! AIEEEE~!) so I don't see him as a specific character anymore, which is why I know he could do it. He also loves to play characters like that, despite his daughters fearing him because of roles like that.
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Post by kaiku on Jul 11, 2007 11:23:28 GMT -5
Wow, I never even thought of Jason Isaacs. He would be a good choice though, wouldn't he? As Lucius Malfoy he has that air of arrogance about him that would just work so perfectly for Aelthar too.
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